need reef opinions

[bluffman2]

i know this isnt a mississippi forum but i wanted to get you guys opinions on something...
we in mississippi do not have a PRIVATE REEF PROGRAM.....we can put out reefs but DMR requires a official to be present when deploying to record the coordinates and publicize them...yes your private reef will become public after 6 months....

what im getting at here is whom should i start contacting to try and get a private reef program going and whom do i need to contact to get more public reefs put out,,i mean is it commishioners, senators, or govenors.....im going to post all of our public spots below and i want you to look at them and notice any date before 2006 is gone due to katrina so those cannot be counted as a reef any more....i bet out of all listed below you cant find 60-80% of them anymore.......i just know if our neighboring states to the east being AL/FL has a good reef program then there is no reason why we shouldnt be able to...

i guess what i am really trying to find out is how can alabama deploy over 600 reefs and just the panhandle of florida over 400 reefs .....its got to come down to federal funding and we need to figure out how to get our share......Matt if you feel this needs to be in the gulf coast section please move it, i just thought i may get more response by putting it here...thx

Site Date Description Lat Long Water Depth Clearance
FH-1 NW Corner Coordinate 30 04.100N
FH-1 NE Corner Coordinate 30 04.100N
FH-1 SW Corner Coordinate 30 03.000N
FH-1 SE Corner Coordinate 30 03.000N
FH-1 Barge 30 03.991N
FH-1 Barge 30 03.849N
FH-1 Barge 30 03.794N
FH-1 8/13/1998 Skimmer Barge 30 03.747N 61'
FH-1 2/19/2004 Derelict Barge Pieces 30 03.657N 64' 50'
FH-1 2/19/2004 Derelict Barge Pieces 30 03.677N 64' 50'
FH-1 Barge 30 03.898N
FH-1 Barge 30 03.601N
FH-1 Rubble (Pipe) 30 03.468N
FH-1 Rubble 30 03.334N
FH-1 Manholes 30 03.318N
FH-1 Single Rubble 30 03.394N
FH-1 7/31/1986 Boxcar Barge 30 03.175N
FH-1 11/19/2002 Casino Magic Barge 30 03.145N
FH-1 Manholes 30 03.123N
FH-1 9/16/2006 Concrete Culverts 30 03.425N 64' 58'
FH-1 9/21/2006 Concrete Culverts 30 03.914N 62' 56'
FH-1 2/27/2007 "Florida Limestone" 30 04.046N 64' 56'
FH-1 2/27/2007 "Florida Limestone" 30 04.039N 64' 56'
FH-1 2/27/2007 "Florida Limestone" 30 03.960N 64' 56'
FH-1 2/27/2007 "Florida Limestone" 30 03.552N 64' 56'
FH-1 2/27/2007 "Florida Limestone" 30 03.227N 68' 60'
FH-1 2/27/2007 "Florida Limestone" 30 03.134N 68' 60'

FH-2 NW Corner Coordinate 30 05.600N
FH-2 NE Corner Coordinate 30 05.600N
FH-2 SW Corner Coordinate 30 04.660N
FH-2 SE Corner Coordinate 30 04.660N
FH-2 Barge 30 05.479N
FH-2 Barge 30 05.433N
FH-2 Small Rubble 30 05.333N
FH-2 Small Rubble 30 05.329N
FH-2 2/5/1989 Bill Walker Boat (Bow) 30 05.256N 57' 47'
FH-2 2/5/1989 Bill Walker Boat (Stern) 30 05.247N 57' 47'
FH-2 Raven Boat 30 05.227N 57'
FH-2 2/24/2002 Adeline Barge 30 04.998N 58'
FH-2 Rubble 30 05.014N
FH-2 Barge 30 05.018N
FH-2 4/24/2006 Shrimp boat "Capt. Kevin" 30 05.099N 56' 30'
FH-2 9/11/2006 Concrete Culverts 30 05.210N 54' 48'
FH-2 9/15/2006 Concrete Culverts 30 05.087N 54' 48'
FH-2 9/27/2006 Concrete Culverts 30 04.925N 55' 49'
FH-2 9/30/2006 Concrete Culverts 30 05.134N 55' 49'
FH-2 2/27/2007 "Florida Limestone" 30 05.471N 56' 48'
FH-2 2/27/2007 "Florida Limestone" 30 04.711N 62' 54'
FH-2 2/27/2007 "Florida Limestone" 30 04.736N 62' 54'
FH-2 2/27/2007 "Florida Limestone" 30 05.169N 58' 50'
FH-2 2/27/2007 "Florida Limestone" 30 05.066N 58' 50'
FH-2 2/27/2007 "Florida Limestone" 30 05.077N 59' 51'
FH-2 3/8/2007 Fire Boat 30 05.360N 56' 40'

FH-6 NW Corner Coordinate 30 02.100N
FH-6 NE Corner Coordinate 30 02.100N
FH-6 SW Corner Coordinate 30 01.700N
FH-6 SE Corner Coordinate 30 01.700N
FH-6 10/16/1990 Tug Boat "Leo" 30 02.008N 65' 45'
FH-6 1978 Deep Liberty Hull Pieces 30 01.958N 60'
FH-6 1978 Deep Liberty Hull Pieces 30 01.887N 57'
FH-6 APC 30 01.918N
FH-6 APC 30 01.913N
FH-6 APC 30 01.914N
FH-6 APC 30 01.922N
FH-6 APC 30 01.907N


FH-13 NW Corner Coordinate 30 04.000N
FH-13 NE1 Corner Coordinate 30 04.000N
FH-13 NE2 Corner Coordinate 30 01.700N
FH-13 SW Corner Coordinate 29 59.200N
FH-13 SE Corner Coordinate 29 59.200N
FH-13 8/28/1996 Rubble 30 02.097N
FH-13 8/29/1996 Rubble 30 00.543N
FH-13 8/30,31/96 Rubble 30 00.003N
FH-13 9/11/1996 Rubble 30 02.498N
FH-13 9/11/1996 Rubble 30 02.250N
FH-13 9/22/1996 Rubble 30 01.896N
FH-13 9/22/1996 Borries Barge A 30 01.924N
FH-13 9/22/1996 Borries Barge B 30 02.937N
FH-13 6/3/1997 Angle Rubble A Top 30 03.720N
FH-13 6/7/1997 Angle Rubble B Top 30 03.720
FH-13 6/23/1997 Ladnier Barge 74' 67'
FH-13 Rubble 30 00.566N
FH-13 Rubble 29 59.841N
FH-13 8/1/1999 Rubble 30 02.530N
FH-13 8/4/1999 Ingles Rubble 30 03.057N
FH-13 12/7/2001 South Hampton Boat 29 59.829N 87' 56'
FH-13 3/24/2002 G.C.R.L. Rubble 30 02.380N 74' 71'
FH-13 7/3/2002 G.C.R.L. Rubble 30 02.404N 72' 70'
FH-13 7/9/2002 G.C.R.L Rubble 30 01.012N 81' 79'
FH-13 7/11/2002 G.C.R.L Rubble 30 01.002N 82' 80'
FH-13 8/23/2002 Rubble 29 59.810N
FH-13 8/26/2002 Rubble 29 59.849N
FH-13 9/19/2002 Rubble (Big Circle) 30 03.241N
FH-13 7/8/2003 Abstract Barge 30 03.668N
FH-13 11/25/2003 Gwen Tide 29 59.562N 84' 62'
FH-13 5/20/2005 Kay Eckstein (Bow) 29 59.564N 88' 50'
FH-13 5/20/2005 Kay Eckstein (Stern) 29 59.557N 88' 78'
FH-13 4/24/2006 Shrimp boat "Jo Curtis-Mary Landry" 30 03.459N 66' 50'
FH-13 6/24/2006 Tug "Gerald Corcoran" 29 59.527N 86' 50'
FH-13 9/9/2006 Shrimp boat "St. John" 30 00.387N 84' 50'
FH-13 9/9/2006 Shrimp boat "Tuan Phong" 30 02.179N 72' 50'
FH-13 3/6/2007 "Florida Limestone" 30 03.905N 66' 58'
FH-13 3/6/2007 "Florida Limestone" 30 03.740N 70' 62'
FH-13 3/6/2007 "Florida Limestone" 30 03.858N 68' 60'
FH-13 3/6/2007 "Florida Limestone" 30 03.762N 67' 59'
FH-13 3/6/2007 "Florida Limestone" 30 02.242N 79' 71'
FH-13 3/6/2007 "Florida Limestone" 30 01.953N 80' 72'
FH-13 3/8/2007 "Florida Limestone" 30 01.141N 83' 75'
FH-13 3/8/2007 "Florida Limestone" 30 00.697N 89' 81'
FH-13 3/8/2007 "Florida Limestone" 30 00.644N 83' 75'
FH-13 3/8/2007 "Florida Limestone" 30 01.129N 81' 73'
FH-13 3/8/2007 "Florida Limestone" 30 01.163N 81' 73'
FH-13 3/8/2007 "Florida Limestone" 30 00.760N 82' 74'
FH-13 6/6/2007 "Florida Limestone" 30 00.013N 83' 75'
FH-13 6/6/2007 "Florida Limestone" 29 59.833N 84' 76'
FH-13 6/6/2007 "Florida Limestone" 29 59.713N 85' 77'
FH-13 6/6/2007 "Florida Limestone" 30 00.109N 84' 76'
FH-13 6/6/2007 "Florida Limestone" 30 00.178N 85' 77'
FH-13 6/6/2007 "Florida Limestone" 30 00.149N 86' 78'
FH-13 6/6/2007 "Florida Limestone" 29 59.479N 88' 80'
FH-13 6/6/2007 "Florida Limestone" 29 59.806N 86' 78'

[Redweiser]

Your work ... Your personal gain.

[bluffman2]

Originally Posted by Redweiser

Your work ... Your personal gain.

i dont mind putting in the effort but everyone i am contacting tells me they cant help....I NEED TO FIND OUT who to contact.......

[peterbo3]

I would be doing a little"reef building" at night. I would not be worrying about DMR or anyone else. You build it, you fish it.

[bluffman2]

Originally Posted by peterbo3

I would be doing a little"reef building" at night. I would not be worrying about DMR or anyone else. You build it, you fish it.

i hear ya but the 10k fine is what worries me....

[Redweiser]

Originally Posted by bluffman2

i hear ya but the 10k fine is what worries me....

The boys in FL don't seem to worry about it. With the rigs here in the gulf ... I don't see much of a problem for us.

[Blue Magic]

Okay......your saying that there Isn't enough reefs in the Mississippi coast.............YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING !!!!!!!!!!!
The coast is only 80 miles wide and between the rigs that are out there and the number of reefs you posted, that's more then there is on the Florida west coast and here your looking at about 400 miles.
The problem is that most fisherman in the Mississippi area don't know how to fish. If it not a published site or something sticking out of the water, they will not fish it. Remember what I told you about the bottom..............There's miles and miles of swiss cheese, ledges, hard bottom, drops and old rigs out there that can be fished. Without a good bottom machine and PUTTING YOUR TIME IN ON THE WATER............you won't catch s%it......
If you don't believe me I'll bet the $1000.00 you owe (double or nothing).............I'll take you fishing 50 miles out to that spot we ran over when we went to the Exxon and I'll bet that your arms will fall off from reeling in fish.

[bluffman2]

OK im stepping up on my soapbox now......

Fernando yes you are right i owe you 1k
but Fernando what you dont understand is that 80 % of recreational fisherman cant get to the 50 mile mark you are talking about....and im not talking me,because i will take my little pice of sh#t 50 miles on a given day....but some people cant get out 15 miles...

now back to your coment on florida .......you guys have over 5000 reefs deployeed off the panhandle alone....so i dont want to hear all the BS about us having rigs and so forth....

i completly agree with you on fishing live/natural bottom BUT do you know how far natural bottom is off our MS gulf coast????? LONG DAMN WAY...that takes me back to my original post ....we need more reefs closer for people to be able to get to...not just public or private.....

I know YOU can catch damn fish in a deserrt but some folks cant and all im trying to do is establish more reefs in the GOM to have a future for my son to fish.....

if you will look at the reefs deployed since 1999 off MS gulf coast ill bet you the 1k i owe you that YOU cant find 50% of them.......

am i calling you out...by no means am i ....im just trying to get you to see how we see our MS gulf coast reefs,,,(very few i might add)....you are correct ....a blind man can go to a rig and catch fish...we need 1k reefs like AL and FL to produce the #,s and size fish they are producing and then we may be able to have a snapper season longer than federal season like our neighboring states to the east........

sorry i have posted this but god there is some truth to it ....BTW call me and ill settle up with you....


BTW out of the #,s i posted if you re read my post half of them are no longer there......i checked over 50 spots and found maybe 30......(bits and pieces)

[bluffman2]

Originally Posted by Redweiser

The boys in FL don't seem to worry about it. With the rigs here in the gulf ... I don't see much of a problem for us.

Red the thing im concerend about is you can catch snapper/grouper in the bay off forida.....because they HAVE HABITAT ,,,, you catch a legal snapper here in state waters you have accomplished a feat....im just trying to better our fisheries....hell i can send my son blindfolded out to the rigs and he can catch fish, but he would have to go 15 miles to get there ....im trying to prodauce some closer in spots to hold fish in the future.....im probally pissing in the wind but hell im trying

[Redweiser]

Originally Posted by Blue Magic

Okay......your saying that there Isn't enough reefs in the Mississippi coast.............YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING !!!!!!!!!!!
The coast is only 80 miles wide and between the rigs that are out there and the number of reefs you posted, that's more then there is on the Florida west coast and here your looking at about 400 miles.
The problem is that most fisherman in the Mississippi area don't know how to fish. If it not a published site or something sticking out of the water, they will not fish it. Remember what I told you about the bottom..............There's miles and miles of swiss cheese, ledges, hard bottom, drops and old rigs out there that can be fished. Without a good bottom machine and PUTTING YOUR TIME IN ON THE WATER............you won't catch s%it......
If you don't believe me I'll bet the $1000.00 you owe (double or nothing).............I'll take you fishing 50 miles out to that spot we ran over when we went to the Exxon and I'll bet that your arms will fall off from reeling in fish.

Cool .... If you know how to fish ... You can catch Fish!!!